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#1 Ghost

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 07:25 AM

Hello.

Hundreds of fake servers have been removed from Setti server list today. There are new rules in town. Don't use redirect servers if you want to be listed at Setti.

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 02:24 PM

Don't use redirect servers if you want to be listed at Setti.

dproto subserver also prohibited?

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 04:12 PM

dproto subserver also prohibited?


I think subservers were removed automatically. It is not useful to have subserver in setti list because subserver with old ansver type is made for old non-steam client versions. Old client versions dont use setti master, they use valve masterservers.

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 04:36 PM

Servers which seem duplicates - no matter what the purpose is - are removed from the list. All servers in the same IP address are removed.

Redirect servers usually look like this (using Setti server as an example):

Setti CSS Server 188.40.40.201:27015

Setti CSS Server 188.40.40.201:27016

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Setti CSS Server 188.40.40.201:27099

Setti CSS Server 188.40.40.201:27100
Some server admins have had over 500 fake servers. Some of them even steal names from other servers.
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Posted 14 September 2010 - 07:33 PM

Servers which seem duplicates - no matter what the purpose is - are removed from the list. All servers in the same IP address are removed.

Redirect servers usually look like this (using Setti server as an example):

Setti CSS Server 188.40.40.201:27015

Setti CSS Server 188.40.40.201:27016

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Setti CSS Server 188.40.40.201:27099

Setti CSS Server 188.40.40.201:27100
Some server admins have had over 500 fake servers. Some of them even steal names from other servers.

It is good, but what me to do???

I have now 2 servers, public and gungame.

Soon i will create second public and 1 or 2 servers with other modes, zombie plugue and Deathrun/

My main server 91.218.231.33:27015 not visible more, cause of 91.218.231.33:27016 registered.....

What i have to do, to have my servers in list?

Maybe, can you create ignore list for removal script? To add manually servers, which dont break rules, like my servers....??

Today i am lucky, because my ISP have IP changed. From 188.243.231.33 to 91.218.231.33. Because of it, my old IP in list. But please be attention to this situation.
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Posted 14 September 2010 - 08:09 PM

Removal process is only half-automatic, the other half is done manually. Server removal applies to all servers on a single IP address. So if you have 10 redirect servers + 1 real server then all 11 servers will be removed. You cannot get any server listed on your IP after that. Servers on some single port numbers don't get blocked - it's always the whole IP address.

So the problems on your 27015 server are caused by other things. I don't know what though. Use same config as on your 27016 server but change the port number to 27017 and see if you can get it listed then.
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Posted 17 September 2010 - 06:31 AM

I had 2 server host_name:27015 and host_name:27017 and exactly 14 september they were removed from server list. As I understand it is because they were redirect ??? But they were real working servers (not fake)!
I have dinamic ip, but even after his changes i can't add server in list for 3 days already. What must i do?

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 01:25 PM

What about if you have like 5 servers on the same IP which ARE not redirection servers, they won't get removed?

For example 123.456.789.10:27015, 123.456.789.10:27016, 123.456.789.10:27017, 123.456.789.10:27018

Personally I don't think this is needed anymore once all the servers are forced to .52, that bug has been fixed in orangebox, so you can't redirect anymore.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 04:10 PM

@ AmazingHorse
All bullshit server will be removed. Part of the identification process is automatic and part manual.

If you have 5 real servers on the same IP or 50 real servers on the same IP it is OK.

Remember that if the servers look bullshit (eg. servers are real but you don't actually except anyone to play there, have 0 player slots, etc. etc.) then the IP address will be blocked. Do not think about any stupid ways to fool the system.

@ Maks777
Only servers which have had over 10 redirect servers have been removed. Your problem is most likely caused by dynamic IP. Setti server scanner prioritizes static IP servers over dynamic IPs. So by the time your server would get listed your IP address is already changing.

@ Everyone
Part of the identification process is automatic and part manual. Do not try to fool the system with any bullshit.
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Posted 17 September 2010 - 11:32 PM

@ AmazingHorse
All bullshit server will be removed. Part of the identification process is automatic and part manual.

If you have 5 real servers on the same IP or 50 real servers on the same IP it is OK.

Remember that if the servers look bullshit (eg. servers are real but you don't actually expect anyone to play there, have 0 player slots, etc. etc.) then the IP address will be blocked. Do not think about any stupid ways to fool the system.

@ Maks777
Only servers which have had over 10 redirect servers have been removed. Your problem is most likely caused by dynamic IP. Setti server scanner prioritizes static IP servers over dynamic IPs. So by the time your server would get listed your IP address is already changing.

@ Everyone
Part of the identification process is automatic and part manual. Do not try to fool the system with any bullshit.


Nah I am not trying to trick it, my servers are on one box with one IP, thats why I asked, I didn't want them blocked if they were legit.

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 01:49 PM

So if I got this right, most redirect servers were removed.
But how about the following situation: I add my server to the setti list (not a fake server).
Am I allowed to host fake redirect servers that redirect to that server? (Not from the same machine/IP). I am also mentioning the fact that I will not add the fake servers to the setti list. Is there a problem with this?

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 03:03 PM

So if I got this right, most redirect servers were removed.
But how about the following situation: I add my server to the setti list (not a fake server).
Am I allowed to host fake redirect servers that redirect to that server? (Not from the same machine/IP). I am also mentioning the fact that I will not add the fake servers to the setti list. Is there a problem with this?

We specializing in removed IP`s with 10+ fake servers. 1 fake will not doing something bad. All people have their own character and thought, so we must push off from it.
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 03:16 PM

Reason for allowing 1 redirect server is to support CS1.6 protocols 47/48. Old game versions only see the 47 protocol fake server and the new game versions see both. Something like that - that is how I've understood the purpose of subserver in dproto. It makes sense because then both CS1.6 versions (47/48) can join the same server and the purpose of the fake server is to make server visible for all players.

Having more than one fake server is not justifiable through this logic. Server admins who have lots of fake servers only use fakes to lure players to their own servers by flooding the serverlist with redirect fake servers. Obviously that is bad for anyone who tries to find different servers. That is why such fake server hosters are removed from Setti list.

There are no written rules for removing servers or allowing fake servers on Setti list. The general idea is: Do not try to fool the system with any bullshit.
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 03:24 PM

Reason for allowing 1 redirect server is to support CS1.6 protocols 47/48. Old game versions only see the 47 protocol fake server and the new game versions see both. Something like that - that is how I've understood the purpose of subserver in dproto. It makes sense because then both CS1.6 versions (47/48) can join the same server and the purpose of the fake server is to make server visible for all players.

Having more than one fake server is not justifiable through this logic. Server admins who have lots of fake servers only use fakes to lure players to their own servers by flooding the serverlist with redirect fake servers. Obviously that is bad for anyone who tries to find different servers. That is why such fake server hosters are removed from Setti list.

There are no written rules for removing servers or allowing fake servers on Setti list. The general idea is: Do not try to fool the system with any bullshit.

As i test:
to subserver cant join players without "alias" command
eg: a) all p48 users B) servers with client anti-cheats (UCP 100%, MyAC - as my thought and others)
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 04:08 PM

Understood. Henceforth I will prohibit fake redirect server hosting.
10 such servers won't be much help in flooding the main server with players. Only 50-60+ make a difference.
And besides, I want the internet list to be clean like it used to be in the old days before whoever it was that invented this bullshit. That's why nowadays it's so hard to sustain constant traffic on a CS server. It's almost impossible due to all the fake redirect servers. I know people who own about 3 main servers and host about 600-700 fake hlds's in order to maintain traffic on them and ENCOURAGE all the admins to host more redirects.
It's even come to the point where most community owners obligate the rest of the staff to host redirects in order to maintain their access in the community. Encouraging such behavior is preposterous and must be dealt with in any manner possible.

Thank you Setti for coming up with this solution.
I have registered my server on your server list and closed all fake redirects.

I only hope that in time there will be even more solutions to cleanse the public list of all the fake servers spam. Good luck.

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 05:22 AM

Hello All ..... I need to Add my server to server list and my Ip is 91.186.254.227

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 10:51 AM

Hello All ..... I need to Add my server to server list and my Ip is 91.186.254.227

This thread is about removing fake servers, not about your server.
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Posted 21 December 2010 - 06:02 AM

для того чтобы избавиться от фейк серверов можно придумать чтонибуть вроде плагина который будет выделять сервер как реальный ,и смена имени сервера при добавлений на css.setti.info ,как на GameTracker.

Допустим:
1.плагин будет добавлять 1 правило в список правил сервера ,мастер при добавлений будет чекать если правило присутствует
2.хостнейм поменять на css.setti.info во время добавлений ,так сказать чтобы было понятно что добавляет админ сервака который надо добавить :rolleyes:

в любом случий ето упростит проблему с фейк серверами CS 1.6 :whistling:
Решил написать подробно про просканированную инфу буста сетти...

из ~230 серверов недельного буста есть вот такие серверы:
1) ~120 серверов, редиректы (не HLDS) которые перебрасывают на один и тотже сервер cs.bretonia.ro:27015
2) ~60 серверов, которые содержат по 15-24 фейк ботинка) (HLDS способ) ястественно перебрасывают гдето, но это уже ненадо и гадать
3) ~50 серверов, которые жаждут свой честный онлайн

Отсюда вывод, сетти использовать бесполезно платно и бесплатно.

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 04:15 PM

для того чтобы избавиться от фейк серверов можно придумать чтонибуть вроде плагина который будет выделять сервер как реальный ,и смена имени сервера при добавлений на css.setti.info ,как на GameTracker.

Допустим:
1.плагин будет добавлять 1 правило в список правил сервера ,мастер при добавлений будет чекать если правило присутствует
2.хостнейм поменять на css.setti.info во время добавлений ,так сказать чтобы было понятно что добавляет админ сервака который надо добавить :rolleyes:

в любом случий ето упростит проблему с фейк серверами CS 1.6 :whistling:

Не понимаю чем это упростит проблему с фейк серверами.

Вы считаете, что смена имени сервера занимает больше 2 секунд?
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Posted 21 December 2010 - 08:48 PM

ну всёже много нубо админов ,мало кто разберёться с етим добавлением фейков ,в любом случее ,будет меньше фейков :whistling: хотя не факт ,но попробовать никогда непомешает :smile-thumbs-up:
Решил написать подробно про просканированную инфу буста сетти...

из ~230 серверов недельного буста есть вот такие серверы:
1) ~120 серверов, редиректы (не HLDS) которые перебрасывают на один и тотже сервер cs.bretonia.ro:27015
2) ~60 серверов, которые содержат по 15-24 фейк ботинка) (HLDS способ) ястественно перебрасывают гдето, но это уже ненадо и гадать
3) ~50 серверов, которые жаждут свой честный онлайн

Отсюда вывод, сетти использовать бесполезно платно и бесплатно.




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